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Lockheed Skunk Works director says ESP is the key to interstellar travel (Video)

According to a UCLA engineering alumnus, in 1993 a fellow alumnus, who happened to run one of the most advanced and secretive aircraft development organizations in the world, says the key to the technology that will allow us to travel to the stars, without taking a lifetime to get there, lies in ESP.

Skunk Works logo
Lockheed Martin Skunk Works logo. (Credit: Lockheed Martin)

Ben Rich was the director of Lockheed’s Skunk Works from 1975 to 1991. Skunk Works is a division of Lockheed Martin that develops super high-tech aircraft, and is responsible for developing the U-2, the SR-71 Blackbird, the F-117 Nighthawk stealth bomber, and the F-22 Raptor.

In a recent interview with Open Minds, Jan Harzan, the new director of the Mutual UFO Network, told us about a presentation by Rich he attended in which he feels Rich shared some amazing insight. Like Rich, Harzan received an engineering degree from UCLA. In 1993, Harzan received an invitation from the alumni association to attend a talk by Rich at the alumni center.

Harzan attended the lecture with his friend Tom Keller, who is also an engineering alumnus of UCLA and shares Harzan’s interest in UFOs.  Keller wrote a book on the topic titled, The Total Novice’s Guide to UFOs, which was published in 2010. Harzan estimates there were about 200 engineers in attendance.

Rich’s presentation consisted of a slide presentation outlining his 40 years with Skunk Works. The last aircraft he discussed was the F-117 which was developed in the early 80s, but was not revealed to the public until the late 80s. Rich alluded to more advanced technologies which have been developed since the F-117 but still remain secret.

F-117 Nighthawks
F-117 Nighthawks (Credit: US Air Force)

Harzan says, “He intimated that there was a lot of other stuff going on that he could not talk about.” It was here that Harzan says things began to get really interesting. Harzan told us, “He ended his talk with a black disk zipping out into outer space, and he ended it with these words: ‘We now have the technology to take ET home.’”

Harzan says after this statement the crowd laughed, but he and Keller were shocked. He says, “Tom and I just looked at each other, ‘Did he really just say that, and are these people really not getting that what he is saying is real?’”

After the lecture, Harzan says 20 or so engineers gathered up around Rich to ask more questions. One lady asked about the technology to take ET home, but Rich sort of ignored the question. However, after being pressed by a couple of the other attendees, Rich asked one of the engineers if they thought it was possible to travel to the stars.

The engineer replied, “I don’t know, it would just take a long time to get there.” To which Rich responded that it would not. He told the group, “We found an error in the equations and we now know how to travel to the stars, and it won’t take us a lifetime to do it.”

Harzan says Rich did not say what equations he was referring to, but Harzan assumes they are what are known as Maxwell’s equations. However, he admits that this is just a guess.

Ben Rich & SR-71
Ben Rich in front of an SR-71 Blackbird. (Credit: Lockheed Martin)

Finally, Rich excused himself and began walking towards the door. Harzan called to Rich to ask him one last question. He told Rich, “I have a real interest in the propulsion you are talking about that gets us to the stars. Can you tell me how it works?”

Harzan says Rich stopped and looked at him, then asked Harzan if he knew how ESP worked. Jan says he was taken aback by the question and responded, “I don’t know, all points in space and time are connected?” Rich replied, “That’s how it works.” Then he turned around and walked away.

Harzan doesn’t know if he gave the answer Rich was looking for, or if Rich was simply referring to ESP as being the key to how the technology works, but he does believe there is something to Rich’s response.

Harzan says he feels he left the presentation with three very important clues, “One, we have the technology to take ET home. Two is there is an error in the equations… Finally, the way ESP works is the same way that this technology works. So there you have it. All that is left up to us is to go figure it out.”

Alejandro Rojas

Alejandro Rojas is a radio host for Open Minds Radio, editor and contributing writer for Open Minds magazine as well as OpenMinds.tv. For several years Alejandro was the official spokesperson for the Mutual UFO Network as the Director of Public Education. As a UFO/Paranormal researcher and journalist, Alejandro has spent many hours in the field investigating phenomena up close and personal. Alejandro has been interviewed by media organizations around the world, including the largest cable and network news agencies with several appearances on Coast to Coast AM.

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  1. Indeed, ESP is a mean to connect to something that link eveything in the universe. So if somebody finds how to master that connexion, how to build some interface, and how to manage some parameters, it should be possible to go anywhere, see and maybe even talk to anybody there.
    On the other hand, it could be more difficult to come back with some stones or gifts from ET 🙂
    However, it could be that with some more knowledge, moving stuff that way could be possible, like with PK.
    People interested to search that area with me can write to dahut@skynet.be

  2. Gee, that’s nice. Someone on Earth knows the greatest secret mankind would know up to this point, but they are playing coy. I don’t think so.

  3. Wonderful article on Harzan. It should be remembered that Dr. Eric Walker also brought up ESP in a 1991 interview on UFOs, and that the Canadians were told by American officials in late 1950 that “mental phenomena” might be associated with the saucers.

  4. Look up “Teleportation Physics Study” on the web, and read pages 55 and onward.

  5. I have never seen such a tremendous claim laid out with such absolutely minimal evidence.

    This is a third-party anecdote that claims interstellar travel, and uses the acronym ESP, which is seductive and mysterious to people interested in fringe-sciences. “But, but, they used the word equation!”

    Holy shit, I hope you people are smarter than this.

  6. Seems pretty clear to me. I don’t think anyone is “playing coy” here. I think we have learned something since the 1950s…. actually, we have learned quite a lot. Why wouldn’t they find errors in equations that were written so long ago? I think it is really quite wonderful that they continue to research.

  7. If you read the Andreasson Affair books you will come to the same answer. It is noted that the greys control their ships through the “Spirit”. Ben Rich may be calling, or referring, to it as “ESP” because people are more familiar with that term. He obviously knows more than he can divulge.

  8. It is simple. Quantum physics. First a teaser. In order to see light, we must be going faster than it to see it. Secondly space, time and gravity are expressions of omnipresence in expression. Thought moves much faster than light, thus our own thoughts, and beyond that, our being-ness is omnipresent. Think yourself to your destination, only after you discover the glitch in the equation is the illusion of separation, that we are physical, that we are already where we want to be. Many mystics have been doing this bio-teleportation for centuries, perhaps eons, but we are so hypnotized we have forgotten we know. The coy part is that all of us need to get there on our own , ie our own understanding.Why do they not tell us that they already sent a mouse from Washington DC to UC Berkeley in the 1940s thru what you’d call a fax transmission. When it comes to interstellar transmissions, again the reality of one ind, where the observer and the observed are one, is the key. The mechanics of it all are nothing but in your mind. Pure light, consciousness.

  9. So let me see if I get this straight.
    Humans… a primate species… are so self-important,
    that when they travel… they HAVE to go from point A to point B…
    …and BECAUSE they’re so important, they’re willing to tear holes in the universe to do so,
    and the damn the consequences because teleportation is absolutely necessary and a necessity of life.

    Yeah. Ok.
    I get the “cool sciency bit”… but when we’re working this level, perhaps we need to have a better reason than “cuz”. I’m not against Science in any capacity, but stupid animals on a planet fucking with space time seems like pure hubris to me.
    I don’t think humans are emotionally mature enough to deal with the consequences of our hubris at the moment.

  10. In response to Guy Personsmith;
    Why are you reading a publication called “Open Minds”, when yours is irrevocably not..?

  11. According to various witnesses within the scientific community, Einstein actually discovered the unified field theory — uniting gravity, electricity and magnetism in a way that was previously not understood. This is how the Germans were able to build a limited number of antigravity craft and evacuate to the base in Antarctica. If they had been able to mass produce these things, they would have won the war. Einstein was told to keep his discovery quiet, and accepted a 1-million dollar payoff (which was a lot in those days.) He did not really have a choice, though – look what happened to John Nash: he conveniently died in an “accident” several days after announcing that he had found a replacement for Einstein’s General Relativity (the current mathematical model of how gravity works.)


    There is now a curious campaign to discredit the Ben Rich disclosures. For example, here the author tries to debunk it by saying that “neither quote is verifiable” — then he insists that it must have been a joke.


    But thousands of people who have seen silent UFO’s up close are not laughing… such as the late Art Bell, who saw one fly right over his head between Las Vegas and Pahrump — which prompted another deep state debunking attempt.


    In the ‘Phoenix Lights’ incident, a variety of craft were seen over a 12-hour period including a large triangular shape. Some witnesses saw orbs detach from the main object, go out into the environment and then return. At one point military jets chased a mile-wide object and as they got closer the craft’s lights dimmed and then it disappeared. A sense of calmness and connectedness came over many of the witnesses and some even received telepathic messages. The military claimed the Phoenix Lights were nothing more than flares, and on March 8, 2000, the Arizona National Guard staged a series of flare drops to try and re-enact what people saw in 1997 — but this was an utter failure as it looked nothing like the Phoenix Lights. There was also a string of coverup murders (three A-10 pilot witnesses died under suspicious circumstances within 3 months, and more later.)


    Bob Lazar claims to have worked on an antigravity craft, and they tried to erase documentation which would support his claims.


    In 1974, Werner Von Braun said we already have antigravity technology, and fake enemies were being manufactured by the deep state to justify secret agencies, secret budgets, and looting the treasury through government contracts for inferior technology and unnecessary weapon systems.


    The Pentagon accounting office which was investigating this was conveniently destroyed on 9/11.


    Von Braun received this information from ex-Gestapo agents in the CIA who had been recruited through Operation Paperclip.


    Von Braun’s secret – torsion field physics

  12. Believe the ‘equation errors’ is a reference to two of Einstein General Relativity (GR) equations relating the curvature of spacetime and to its mass-energy density. Specifically, they are the GR acceleration equation and the Freyman equation (Hubble primitive). In 1915, Einstein believed that the Universe was static, however, his equations implied otherwise. In 1917, Einstein added and solved for a cosmological constant to conform to a non-expanding universe. But data gathered by Hubble and others showed the Universe was expanding. In 1930, Einstein finally accepted that the Universe was expanding, and his solution for a ‘static’ Universe was wrong. The equations have many possible solutions. All the solutions impute that spacetime can be manipulated via the modulation of local mass-energy density. Practical manipulation effects are possible because the effects are just linear, but can be exponential – infinitely so, in some instances.

  13. No lie, I discerned recentlyvtime travel, especially into the past is physically not possible, but mentally, and spiritually it may be….nice confirmation…?

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