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Leslie Kean – UFOs and The New York Times – January 16, 2018

Open Minds UFO Radio: Leslie Kean is an investigative journalist who has been published internationally and nationally in the Boston Globe, Baltimore Sun, Atlanta Journal-Constitution, Providence Journal, The Nation, International Herald Tribune, Globe and Mail, and Journal of Scientific Exploration, among other publications. She is the author of UFOs: Generals, Pilots, and Government Officials Go on the Record, a New York Times best seller, and numerous articles on the subject of UFOs. She is coauthor of Burma’s Revolution of the Spirit and cofounder of the Coalition for Freedom of Information. She lives in New York.

She is the co-author of the recent article in The New York Times revealing the U.S. Department of Defense’s Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program. We are lucky enough to be the first among the non-mainstream media to have the opportunity to interview Leslie on how the story came about, and what other pieces of information she may be able to share about the program.

For more about Leslie, visit: www.survivingdeathkean.com



Alejandro Rojas

Alejandro Rojas is a radio host for Open Minds Radio, editor and contributing writer for Open Minds magazine as well as OpenMinds.tv. For several years Alejandro was the official spokesperson for the Mutual UFO Network as the Director of Public Education. As a UFO/Paranormal researcher and journalist, Alejandro has spent many hours in the field investigating phenomena up close and personal. Alejandro has been interviewed by media organizations around the world, including the largest cable and network news agencies with several appearances on Coast to Coast AM.

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  1. This was an important interview. I wish I were the “cigarette smoker (different stuff) in a dark room” telling Ms. Kean what to say. I would have encouraged her to identify certain individuals … But that didn’t happen so I will now STFU.

  2. LK was adamant that the story wasn’t orchestrated from the top down at that the NY Times editors aren’t ‘told what to do’ on certain stories. But naturally she is going to say this about her employer. As Richard Dolan (and many others) have pointed out, the NY Times has a horrendous track record of supporting and promoting the false justifications for US war crimes, among many other sins.

    Immediately after LK claimed this story wasn’t a top-down release, she stated that it only came about because Elizondo left the DoD. But Elizondo is as much a DoD man as he ever was, only non-officially, so this is an extremely flimsy argument to be making.

  3. Regardless of what others say about the NY Times, this has nothing to do with war. In this case we have Leslie’s insight into how the story came about. Leslie is also not employed by the NY Times. She is an independent freelancer. And your statement “Elizondo is as much a DoD man as he ever was” is also inaccurate. He no longer works for them. You are claiming here that Elizondo and Leslie are lying. I have known Leslie for years and have known her to be a very honest person, and the facts fit her version of how the events occurred. Everyone close to Elizondo I have spoken to also have shared similar information to what Leslie and Elizondo are saying. If you have some proof that states otherwise, feel free to share it.

  4. Great interview Alejandro. First time listener. You asked some very important questions, it was great to hear Leslie stand up for Elizondo. Have you heard anything about George Knapp saying there will be at least 24 videos released? Also, I feel you should have asked about Tom Delonge saying they’ve found a life form, now we know “the boss man” he has refered to is Luis Elizondo.

  5. Somehow this interview left a bad taste in my mouth, there’s definitely top-down stuff going on in the MSM (which both NY and WP are part of), to think there’s not is just odd to say the least. But hey, we’re getting Disclosure (of sorts) eventually so let’s wait and see.

  6. Alejandro very good to hear your piece at the start with regards to your visit to mufon and fringe subjects piece i believe you hit that exactly on the head with regards to reaching the general public without scaring them away on the topic of the UFO phenomenon.

  7. I get what she is saying. I see it in my job where those not in the loop, fill in the blanks, and decide that their guess explains the “other layer” that surely must exist because you’ve hidden something from them that’s likely bad. Now I think a lot of us think that way about politics and day-to-day life because we feel “cheated”. The PR spin we see daily has turned us into constant doubters. So when Leslie says everything was pretty basic and it just happened thanks to Elizondo, well she is not empathizing with the whole history of lies the ufo community has seen over 70 years, and even the current suspicions about Trump, Clinton, Putin, Obama, etc…our daily news is full of half-truths that leads to conspiratorial thinking. The media is selling us drama and conspiracy now as acceptable, so it’s tough to just believe anyone on face value.

    I believe her, she’s done a wonderful job for the UFO field from the Kecksburg investigation in 2002 to today. She has earned the right to be believed, and she is pretty up front when she says “I can’t talk about that”. Is she a pawn? Well we’re all pawns to some degree, but so far this is the best breakthrough we’ve seen in soft disclosure. I also have a lot of respect for Richard Dolan, so I think its good to have him to caution us about past manipulations by the media. But really, I think Elizondo holds the cards. As long as he keeps providing proof and witness statements with TV interviews…well there’s our best proof for our pudding.

  8. All credit to Leslie Kean for her hard work.
    But I know her glowing remarks about Elizondo and how wonderful and trustworthy he is, echo a hollow note with researchers I know who for 70 years have been lied to and ridiculed by military people like him.
    It’s not easy to suddenly embrace those deniers who suddenly emerge into the light saying ‘it’s all true folks’ without wondering if there’s a hidden agenda.
    Are we really saying that a secret which has been denied for so long is now being blazoned across headlines with the blessing of those who were tightlipped for so long….without somebody, somewhere in the military changing the rules and protocol?
    True it’s not real disclosure or else we’d have the thousands of photos, videos and documents accumulated since the 40’s, released to the world. But surely something has changed to allow a CIA chief to retire and then blow such a very loud whistle?
    A UFO investigator friend of mine who feels shafted by the authorities for so long will probably take comfort from Leslie’s point that this material was denied because it was classified for good reasons.
    But whoever next interviews Elizondo would do well to ask him “Would you like to apologise on behalf of your former employers for all the lies and deceit over so many years?’
    If he did it might make my friend feel a little better!

  9. Hi Alejandro, I’d like to address one topic that Ms. Kean repeatedly dismissed. That is, why anyone could ever question someone like Luis Elizondro, or any Defense Intelligence operative who seems so genuine? Or how any group or individual could possibly come up with any reason why someone like Luis, who is honest and who retired, would lie. One argument would be the Have Blue crash in 1986. At this time, the world did not know about the advanced stealth technology the US military possessed and the military was willing to go to extreme measures to protect this information. When a test bed F-117 Stealth Fighter crashed in the mountains, it was a classified air machine and the DOD went to extreme measures, including DISINFORMATION of placing a 1960’s era F-101 fighter debris at the crash site, to protect this secret. Here is a summary http://magonia.haaan.com/tag/f-117a/ It’s perfectly plausible to think the DOD info from Luis is a similar operation to hide another highly secret technology. Why is that so perplexing?
    Perhaps it’s incorrect, but it must be verified.

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